Stabledash Live · · 26 min

Coinflow and CMT Digital on Where Stablecoins Actually Work Today

With Sam Hallene

Key takeaways

  • Sam Hallene says CMT Digital led Coinflow's seed round in mid-2023 and has invested in every round of the company since.

  • Daniel Lev says Coinflow settles payments for businesses in five seconds or less, and it has joined the Agentic Payments Alliance with Rain.

  • Hallene expects the GENIUS Act rules in January 2027 to let large businesses issue stablecoins, while Lev remains bearish on stablecoins becoming a large consumer rail.

Watch the episode

Summary

Coinflow's CEO and his lead seed investor talk about five-second settlement, agentic payments and the GENIUS Act, and they disagree on how close consumer stablecoin use really is.

CMT Digital invested in Coinflow's pre-seed round and then led its seed round in mid-2023, investor Sam Hallene said on Stabledash Live. He says the firm has invested "in every round of Coinflow and then some." Co-founder and CEO Daniel Lev joined him to talk about where stablecoin payments are heading.

Money at internet speed

Lev says Coinflow's mission has not changed since day one: "to make money move with the speed of the Internet, which is instantly." When a business accepts funds from a user, he says, it gets the money in five seconds or less. Hallene contrasts final settlement in under five seconds with 20 minutes through traditional banking.

Lev describes Coinflow as the category leader in moving money between stablecoins and traditional rails. He says it is building a "network of networks" by adding corridors, payment methods and payout methods. Merchants who do not care about stablecoins themselves can settle in its own coin, CFUSD, and the ION Protocol provides instant liquidity for swaps into other stablecoins.

“Agents move at the speed of the Internet, and the only, you know, money movement rail that can do that is is is stablecoins”
Sam Hallene

Corridors beyond the dollar

Lev says demand exists in Euro, a little in GBP, and in Mexico because of remittances, but US dollar stablecoins are "by far number one." He says regulation such as MiCA is pushing European businesses to hold euro stablecoins.

Agents and alliances

Coinflow has joined the Agentic Payments Alliance with Rain, and Lev says it also worked with Tempo on agentic payments. Hallene predicts agentic payments "are gonna be absolutely massive" because stablecoins are the only rail that matches the speed of agents. He says two agents negotiating and paying in stablecoins could cut RFP timelines by 90%.

Loyalty and the GENIUS Act

Hallene says the GENIUS Act rules are targeted for a January 2027 implementation, which would let big businesses issue stablecoins compliantly. He expects the next generation of loyalty programs to look like stablecoins, for example Amazon issuing one and offering discount tiers to customers who hold dollars in it. Lev is skeptical and asks what problem such features solve. He argues that combining many stablecoin features moves the needle more than any single one.

Lev is "pretty bearish" on stablecoins becoming a large consumer rail in the US. He says users get no benefit from paying with them today, although prediction market users and whales do want to. He gives a "non zero chance" that some entrepreneur builds incentives that change this. Until then, he sees demand for Coinflow coming from businesses and agents more than from everyday shoppers.

Coinflow, Braille, Rain, and Amazon come up most.

Ask AI about this conversation

More conversations like this one

Get the lineup before every live show, plus the newsletter’s short reads.