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The Race Above x402: Louis Amira of ATXP on Agent Commerce and Stablecoin Settlement
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Louis Amira
Key takeaways
Circuit & Chisel raised $19.2 million for ATXP, and Stripe invested alongside others.
Louis Amira says nobody will make money at the protocol layer, calls the X402 Foundation "basically a charity" and says MPP makes no money there either.
ATXP has passed one million accounts, and Louis Amira says the harder problem now is getting agents to carry out actions, not just recommend them.
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Summary
Louis Amira told investors the agent payment protocol would never make money, and he now says ATXP's business sits in the platform layer above x402 and MPP.
Circuit & Chisel raised $19.2 million for ATXP, its agent payment platform, after Louis Amira told investors the protocol would never make money. Stripe, where he was the first external crypto hire in early 2022, invested along with others. Amira says that "sounded really nuts in 2024."
A pitch with no protocol revenue
Louis Amira says the company told investors it would build a protocol for agents that "is not the end of the company because nobody is going to make money in the protocol layer." He says the same holds for others in the space: the X402 Foundation is "basically a charity," and MPP is "not making any money at that layer" because it needs to be free in the way HTTP is free.
“Eventually this thing's going to disappear. Like most of our parents know that they need to type HTTP, but had no idea what it stands for. And we don't think AT XP really deserves to be a thing that people know as that.”
Louis AmiraStepping back from the protocol
According to Louis Amira, ATXP launched on Base at roughly the same time Coinbase launched x402, and MPP came later. A couple of months ago the company announced it no longer needed to work on the protocol, because x402, MPP and other options "do the job" and are better than what it planned to build. He now describes ATXP as a transaction platform, "a way that you can stitch a bunch of stuff together."
Amira says the name stands for agent transaction protocol and was picked on the expectation that it will fade from view, the way most people type HTTP without knowing what it stands for.
Traction and its limits
Louis Amira says ATXP publicly announced more than a million accounts created, by humans and by agents. It has topped the x402 and Stripe MPP leaderboards by 5 to 20x. Still, he says early agent commerce was mostly birthday songs and party tricks, "not the takeoff that we had hoped for," and that about 3,000 companies can now do that kind of thing. He calls token maxing "the wrong thing to measure."
The last mile
For Louis Amira, the real opportunity is the gap between recommending an action and carrying it out. Builders take products "99% of the way there," he says, while he wants an easy button that says "approved, go do the thing." He recalls a line from interviewing at Ramp: it is better for a business to save the dollar than to collect 3% in rewards. He predicts that in 15 years people will have an agent that saves money, frees up time and earns money for them.
Louis Amira says Circuit & Chisel works as "an outsourced R&D shop" for larger companies in agent payments, and he does not expect ATXP to be what the company is known for as "a trillion dollar company a few years from now." He is betting on an "iPhone moment" when building agent apps becomes profitable.
Stripe, Google, Coinbase, and Anthropic come up most.
- People
- Louis Amira
- Eric Glyman
- Ray Dalio
- Zach Abrams
- Patrick Collison
- Eric Blimen
- Drew Rogers
- Elon Musk
- Eric Schmidt
- John Collison
- Marissa Mayer
- Paul Graham
- Zach Fowler
- Companies
- Stripe
- Coinbase
- Anthropic
- Bridge
- Ramp
- Bridgewater
- Tempo
- OpenAI
- Blackstone
- Chainlink
- DeepMind
- Cloudflare
- Vercel
- Paradigm
- Privy
- Sequoia
- Tether
- Circuit & Chisel
- X402 Foundation
- Visa Ventures
- Dfns
- Y Combinator


